Mary Rose Saddler

Notes:

Birth:
Birth year estimated from the 1950 census at age 5.

Notes:

Birth:

Albert's death certificate states his birth date as 15 Mar 1917. Very likely, this is a transcription error. Since this would make his mother 60 or greater at his birth, it is believed this is in error. This is confirmed by the 1910 census (on pg.2 of 2), in which he is given as age 3, placing his birth year at 1907. (Birth also given as March 7, 1906-07.)

Albert married Mary Della Mays. Mary (daughter of David Daniel Mays and Cora Ann Kingery) was born on 8 Dec 1909 in Tango, Lincoln Co, WV; died on 16 Oct 1985 in Yawkey, Lincoln Co, WV; was buried in Beech Grove Cemetery, Yawkey, Lincoln Co, WV. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Name:
She is given as Della Mays in her birth record; however, as early as the first census she appeared in at age 4 months, she was given as "Mary D.".

Notes:

4th husband of Octavia.

James married Octavia Egnor. Octavia (daughter of John Washington Egnor, Sr. and Lucinda Frances Plumley) was born in 1860 in VA; died after 1930 in WV. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

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(their notes)
YEAR AGE EVENT/LOCATION {Source}
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MAR: MARRIED FOUR TIMES
MAR: 1ST TO SMITH
MAR: 2ND TO ???
MAR: 3RD TO WILLIAM HORTON
MAR: 4TH TO JAMES SADDLER
BIR: 1856, 1857, OR 1860

Birth: ABT 1856 in VA (per 1870 census)
Birth: ABT 1857 in Per Anthony Ray Gould
Birth: ABT 1860 in Per Carolyn Saul
Birth: 1860 in Per Lincoln County book
Death: UNKNOWN
Census: 1860 not listed
Census: 1870 Listed as age 14, in Union Twp, Griffithsville PO #25, Lincoln Co, WV
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1870 Lincoln Co. WV Fed Census, Union Twp, Griffithsville PO, Pg4
#25-25 John W. Egnor 37, farmer, born VA, cannot read or write;
Lucinda 35, housekeeper, born VA, cannot read or write;
Mathias 16, labors on farm, born VA;
Martin 15, labors on farm, born VA;
Octavia 14, Mary 19; Martha 8; Lucinda Jr. 4, John 1

Doug Couch notes May 2009:
From various records found, the apparent order of marriages is 1)Smith, 2)Horton, 3)Plumley, 4)Saddler. Relatives of the time say there was an additional husband, Sutliff...order not known. She is said to be Indian...said to be full-blood Cherokee. For many years we did not know her given or surname. In late 2008, information surfaced showing her as Octavia Egnor, confirmed by several census records, etc.



Name:
View First Name Variations

• Note: Not in 1860 census with parents, unknown reason
• Octava given as age 14 - 1870 Census
• Octavia given as age 19 - 1880 Census with Floyd Smith
• Octavy given as age 22 - 1882 Marriage to William Horton
• Octaby is a typo re "Octavy" in the 1882 Marriage Record
• Octavia in 1898 Delayed Birth Record of son Sylvester
• Octavie in 1900 Delayed Birth Certificate of daughter Lillie
• Octavia given as age 44 - 1900 Census with James Plumley
• Octova given as age 50 - 1910 Census with James Sadler
• Octava given as age 56 - 1920 Census as Widow with sons
• Tava given as age 56 - 1930 Census with son Sylvester
• Octavie in 1939 Death Certificate of daughter Martha
• Octavia in 1949 Death Certificate of daughter Eva
• Octova in 1950 Death Certificate of son Albert
• Octavia in 1958 Death Certificate of son Willy

Birth:
No record has been found for Octavia's birth as an Egnor or death with any last name ascribed to her spouses. Family lore has it that she was an Indian of Cherokee descent, but no further information was given. As she doesn't show in the 1860 census and then shows in the 1870 census as 14 years old, it is possible she was informally adopted into the family. Without U.S., VA/WV or Cherokee records showing this, it is not possible to determine.

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If she was Cherokee, none of the ancestors shown here were actually hers...unless some of them were actually Cherokee.

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Interestingly, her grandchildren through her daughter, Mary Frances Horton Atkins, never provided either a first or last name or a specific tribe for Octavia when asked, even though decades later it came to light that Mary's oldest daughter at least, did know her name and tribe. This would be congruent with her children instructing her grandchildren throughout their lives to not reveal this information to avoid persecution and possible relocation as an Indian.

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Information previously unavailable: A granddaughter of Octavia whose mother grew up away from her siblings after her parents died in 1928 & 1931, said that DNA testing has been done by one of the granddaughter's siblings, and no Native American blood was indicated. Those grandchildren had also been told about being descended from Native Americans (as had the granddaughter's mother's siblings). If more information comes to light and is suitable for showing here, I will add it at that time.

Notes:

4th or 5th Husband to Octavia

David married Cora Ann Kingery. Cora (daughter of William Byrd Kingery and Martha Jane Hanes) was born on 13 Jul 1886 in Ferrum, Franklin Co, VA; died on 9 Feb 1976 in Yawkey, Lincoln Co, WV; was buried in Beech Grove Cemetery, Yawkey, Lincoln Co, WV. [Group Sheet]

John married Lucinda Frances Plumley in 1850. Lucinda (daughter of Mathias Plumley and Mary Smith) was born on 11 May 1835 in Cabell Co, VA; died on 1 Sep 1908; was buried in Wash Egnor Cemetery, Sand Fork, Griffithsville, Lincoln Co, WV. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

YEAR AGE EVENT/LOCATION {Source}
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1835 BIR: 11 MAY 1835 OR JAN 1835
1835 BIR: JAN 1835 FROM SHARON ABSHIRE
2399 SWINGS CORNER
POINT ISABEL ROAD
BETHEL, OH 45106-9556
1908 DEA: FROM SHARON ABSHIRE
1908 DEA: BURIED ON RIDGE NEAR CHURCH, SAND FORK, LINCOLN CO., WVA

William married Martha Jane Hanes. Martha (daughter of James Haynes and Sarah V. Campbell) was born on 9 Jul 1848 in Ferrum, Franklin Co, VA; died on 15 Mar 1942 in Yawkey, Lincoln Co, WV. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Name:
(Haynes)

Archibald married Lahoma Lany Massey on 15 Sep 1832 in Monroe Co, VA. Lahoma (daughter of Jeptha MASSIE, Jr. and Anna MEADOWS) was born on 02 Jun 1811 in Monroe Co, VA; died on 16 Sep 1850 in Griffithville, White Co, VA; was buried in Griffith Cemetery, Griffithsville, Lincoln Co, WV. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Other records show her as Lany Massey. The name as Lahoma Lany Massey is from the Mullins family records.

Buried:
(Griffith Cemetery was in VA until WV became a state.)

Mathias married Mary Smith on 3 Sep 1829 in VA. Mary (daughter of Jacob SMITH and Susanna CAMPBELL) was born on 26 Jul 1813 in Greenbrier Co, VA; died in 1889 in WV; was buried in Plumley Cemetery, Sias, Lincoln Co, WV. [Group Sheet]

James married Sarah V. Campbell. Sarah was born in 1822; died in 1906. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

These entries were automated: (gleaned from LDS file per Aegender records)
Line in Record @I075@ (RIN 75) from GEDCOM file not recognized:
ALIA John /Agner/
Line in Record @I075@ (RIN 75) from GEDCOM file not recognized:
RESI
Line in Record @I075@ (RIN 75) from GEDCOM file not recognized:
CENS
Line in Record @I075@ (RIN 75) from GEDCOM file not recognized:
CENS
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Their Aegender notes: Aug 1999

Circumstantial evidence points to John Agner, Jr. and his wife Barbara being the parents of our Archibald Egnor!

Original findings concerning John Jr. are being re-examined. We now believe that the Johns in Rockbridge were confused and that John Jr. did go to Monroe County about 1823. Based on this and other circumstantial evidence, we are assuming that John Jr. is the father of Archibald and Elizabeth Egnor.

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Doug Couch notes 2008: Also given as "? Egnor" in One Family Tree family records. Gould family records show father of Archibald as Egnor with wife Mary. Apparently, there are serious errors with this lineage. Where shown as John Agner, wife Barbara, daughter Mary is born when he is 11, and dies when he is 98, an unlikely but not impossible relationship. The above comment from the Aegender family records-notes, about the "Johns in Rockbridge" being confused, is unclear. To keep children groups, and people given as spouses organized, Barbara is shown with her children, and Mary (Polly?) is shown with hers. The claim that John Agner (Jr.) and Barbara are the parents of Archibald does not agree with the family linkage given in the same database where the comment was entered. Therefore, it is here "assumed" that there were two spouses, and that Mary and/or Polly is the mother of Archibald...until better documentation can be found.

Birth:
also given in Mullins family records as b.1773...a less likely date

Died:
death place from Mullins family records

John married Barbara. Barbara was born in 1770 in MD; died in 1821 in VA. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Died:
death also given as abt/bef 1830

Notes:

Doug Couch 2008 note: Ancestors and any collateral lines beyond Jeptha Massie 1779-1853 are from online family data of Paul E. McFerrin:
http://home.att.net/~paulmcferrin/geneology/fam00590.html

Neither a Lahoma nor Lany are listed as children of Jeptha Massie and Anna Meadows in the McFerrin data. Thus the McFerrin data is unclear whether correctly connected to Lany.

Ancestors given by McFerrin data:

1-Jeptha 1779
2-Jeptha Massie 1750 VA - 1855
2-Mary Sowards b.VA
3-John Massey 1720 MD - 1781 MD
3-Sarah Strong
4-James (Massey)
4-Rachel Jayne
5-Nicholas Massey, Jr. abt 1662 - 1724
5-Mary? abt 1666 - abt 1725
6-Nicholas Massey abt 1630 - abt 1693, md. MD
6-Anne b.MD

This general lineage is reiterated in the billmassey data at
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7wwc2/index.html

Extremely lengthy researched lineage of the Massey family (not currently connected to this line) is found at:
http://masseyfamgenealogy.tripod.com/a1.htm#g1
This line goes back to the 10th century.

Died:
McFerrin data lists death 1853 in Lawrence Co, OH.

Jeptha married Anna MEADOWS on 21 Feb 1806 in Monroe Co, VA. Anna was born in 1788 in VA; died in 1860 in VA. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Doug notes 2008:

Anna Meadows given in Mullins records as born 27 Feb 1806, unlikely spouse relationship and impossible son relationship. 1850 census shows Jeptha Massie, wife Anna and son William, with Anna's estimated birth year as 1788, a much more likely date, used here.

Anna's children are given differntly in different records. Thomas, Lahoma/Lany, William, and Jeptha are common to the various records (except one doesn't show Lahoma/Lany). Her other children's birth years, extend her child-bearing years beyond what one would expect, and children cited as by Jeptha Jr's second wife overlap those years. They are included here for reference, but many may not be her children. Similarly, other records looked at do not list a second wife. For my ancestors, I will make an effort to obtain documentation of their relationships.

Died:
McFerrin data lists death place as Lawrence Co, OH.

Notes:

Married:
This date is for the Marriage Bond, presumably before the marriage, but could have been on that date as well.

Notes:

Died:
John's birth year given on stone as 1865

John married Catherine Kaylor on 23 Dec 1799 in Christianburg, Montgomery Co, VA. Catherine (daughter of Mathias Kaylor and Katherine Cheter) was born on 11 Apr 1780 in VA; died in 1843 in Raleigh Co, VA; was buried in New Salem Baptist Church Cemetery, Abraham, Raleigh Co, WV. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Name:
Catherine's maiden name spelled Kaler on John's gravestone

Birth:
birth also listed as in Germany

Jacob married Susanna CAMPBELL. Susanna (daughter of Archibald CAMPBELL) was born on 1 Oct 1791 in USA; died on 25 Apr 1824 in Raleigh Co, VA. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

children
Campbell
William T.
John
Mary "Polly"
Virginia Jane
Elizabeth "Betty" Ann
Washington
Ruth
Canada
Lewis
Joseph
Nancy