Charles Washington Grenaut

Notes:

Name:
As long as this notice exists, I do not have certain documentation for the following and assumptions have been used to establish relationships that make some sort of sense. These children all show in the 1870 census, living with Octavie. From census and city directory information, it appears that Charles' two most recent widows, (3)Octavie and (4)Marie, shared in the care of all of Charles' children who were not yet out on their own and at different times, each of these two widows lived with Charles (b.1854) and near his siblings (which children were more established). — See explanation by each child below
   • It appears that Charles Washington Grenot died between 1866 (birth of the youngest child of those children which indications suggest are his) and the 1870 census. I don't have any census for any year that shows Charles at all.
   • dau: Marie b.1853 is probably child of Octavie as she was born just before son Charles.
   • son: Seraphin b.1855 living with Octavie is probably child of Octavie.
   • son: Octave b.1867 is adopted by Octavie. Parents unknown.
   • son: Joseph b.1859 is probably child of Marie as she married Charles in 1857.
   • dau: Stella b.1862 is probably child of Marie as she married Charles in 1857.
   • dau: Bertha b.1865 is probably child of Marie as she married Charles in 1857.
   • dau: Maria b.1866 is probably child of Marie as she married Charles in 1857.

Died:
• Charles does not show in the 1870 or 1880 censuses.
• His 3rd Wife, Octavie, was listed as widow in the 1900 census of New Orleans and she is living with Charles (son born 1854) on White Street.
• His 4th Wife, Marie, was listed as widow in Soards' 1885 Directory (of New Orleans) and in this earlier listing, Marie is also living with Charles (stepson born 1854) on St. Philip Street.

Charles married Rosa Duvernay. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Married:
This union is verified by the death certificate of their daughter, Marie, and the marriage license of their son, Emile Joseph.

1. Marie Grenot was born on 20 Feb 1847 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; died on 9 Mar 1847 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA.
2. Emile Joseph Grenot was born est 1848 in Orleans Parish, LA.

Charles married Marie Magdeleine Duvernay. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Married:
This union is verified by the birth information for their son, Joseph.

1. Joseph Grenot was born on 22 Jul 1849 in Orleans Parish, LA.

Charles married Octavie Deruize. Octavie (daughter of Athemis Deruse) was born in Nov 1824 in LA. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Married:
This union is verified by the marriage license and marriage certificate of their son, Charles.

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Octavie Deruize Grenot adopted Octave Veyant. His parents are not given.

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In the same cemetery as Joseph Grenot, son of Charles Grenot and Marie Magdeleine Duvernay, is a grave for Henry Grenot, parents unknown, born Oct 1852, died 23 Aug 1853. This note is in remembrance of that child, who may or may not be the child of Charles Grenot and Octavie Deruize (according to his birth year). Joseph and Henry are the only persons name of Grenot in that cemetery (and also having a findagrave memorial).

1. Adolphe Grenot died before 8 Jun 1900.
2. Rodolphe Grenot was born est 1851 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; died on 3 Oct 1888 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; was buried in St. Louis Cemetery No. 2, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA.
3. Marie Grenot was born est 1853 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; died on 24 Oct 1938 in Orleans Parish, LA.
4. Charles Grenot was born in Oct 1854 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; died on 27 Apr 1904 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA.
5. Seraphin Grenaut was born est 1855 in LA.
6. Octave Veyant was born est 1867 in LA.

Charles married Marie Deraises on 16 Mar 1857 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA. Marie died after 1885. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Married:
Note: Marie lives with stepson, Charles, at 358 St. Philip in 1885. Also, her son, Joseph, died earlier just up the street at 342 St. Philip in 1878.

1. Joseph Grenot was born in 1859 in LA; died on 27 Oct 1878 in Orleans Parish, LA; was buried in St. Louis Cemetery No. 1, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA.
2. Stella Grenot was born est 1862 in LA.
3. Bertha Grenot was born est 1865 in LA.
4. Maria Grenot was born est 1866 in LA.

Notes:

Name:
(Francisco)

Birth:
The Maribaroux Plain, a coastal plain in northeastern Haiti (Isle St. Domingo) by the Massacre River (Dajabon River).

Francois married Seraphine Mercier. Seraphine was born in 1786 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; died on 20 Jan 1858 in Jefferson Parish, LA. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

1820, Orleans Parish, Francois Grenot and Seraphine Mercier are listed as the parents of a female colored child on 19 October 1820—Orleans Parish Birth Index, 1790-1820, vol.2, p.50

1822, New Orleans City Directory, Orleans Parish, LA - Seraphine Mercier and Francois Greno (a seller of food and/or alcohol), lived at 195 Craps below Marigny—(New Orleans Public Library)

1830, St. James Parish, LA - Seraphine Mercier is listed as a Free Woman of Color who owned slaves and lived between Esplanade St. & Canal Marigny—Journal of Negro History, p.9 — View Document in New Tab

1842, New Orleans City Directory, Orleans Parish, LA - Seraphine Mercier is listed living on Bayou Rd. near Robertson St.

1842-1862 Probate Dockets for 3rd Judicial District Court, Jefferson Parish, LA, Docket 1207 re Succession with cover dates 1842-1862, (File# prbt887.txt), Seraphine Mercier is listed as a Free Woman of Color.—Jefferson Parish Library

Notes:

Buried:
Records for Ft. Dauphin, St. Domingue, 1778
Translation of death date and burial place: "Le Cing Septembre mil Sept 'ent Soixante Dix huit, ja: inhume Sans le Cimetiere de cette paroisse" in English: The 5th of September one thousand Seventy Eight and: buried without the Cemetery of this parish. The cemetery for "this parish" is the cemetery for the Roman Catholic Diocese of Fort-Liberte (Fort Dauphin). That cemetery is just southeast of St. Joseph's Cathedral. His burial then is outside of the cemetery proper.
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Died:
Old Map of Haiti showing Fort Dauphin (today is Fort Liberte)

Jean married Marie Jeanne Angelique Derouville. Marie was born in 1736 in Haiti; died on 17 May 1816 in New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA; was buried in St. Louis Cemetery No. 1, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

In the list of "Inhabitants of Santo Domingo without land ownership and heirs of former settlers (1750-1826)", six members of the Grenot family are listed: Ann Marie, Charles Bernard, Anne, Marie-Jeanne-Sophie, Pierre-Ambroise-Isidore and Rose-Eleonore-Elisabeth (Grenot, widow Lapice de Bergondy).

All Grenot heirs listed are just listed as "heirs", except the eldest male sibling, Charles Bernard Grenot. His listing reveals what the heirship pertained to: "Cafeteria. Farm Farm, AF: Derouville, A.N. Subseries D XXV 29" According to the legend of abbreviations, Cafeteria means owner of a coffee shop; AF means Family Alliance. Farm is not listed. However, it would seem to suggest a coffee farm or plantation.

From the related list of "Settlers of Santo Domingo Former Owners (1789)", the following is found re the Derouville family (given as Deronville/Derouville): "Deronville [Derouville?], married Grenot Marie-Jeanne-Angelique 0 Candy. Originally from (La) Ronville near Wimereux (Pas-de-Calais) ?!; AF: Delamarre, Grenot, Legrand". Also listed: "Lapice, dit Bergondy [Lapice de Chateauriant?] Pierre-Michel 0 Cafeteria. /Candy. AF: Grenot", and his wife, Louise Demie Lapice, 0, heir."—Note that this Pierre Lapice (1743-1810) and the last legitimate holder of the title "de Bergondy" is the father of Pierre Michel Ambroise Lapice (known as P.M. Lapice, 1797-1884).
—— Lists at: https://www.domingino.de/stdomin/index_colons_a_z.html

NOTE: Although the author of these lists was unclear about the surnames as La Ronville versus, Derouville (de Rouville), a look at modern maps shows that Rouville is in Normandy, while La Ronville is far to the north and not in Normandy. The history of the Lapice family says that they were descended from a noble family in Normandy...which agrees with their being allied with the Derouville family at least partly through marriage into the Grenot family.

Birth:
(variously Mariharoux, St. Dominque, Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic)